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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by Richard</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the article also doesn&#039;t say is that Christopher Jarvis was withholding the results of his investigations from the victims and passing his files onto the Church to give them a &#039;head&#039;s up&#039; and to see what he should do with them.  All of this goes to show that the Church is still looking after itself and not the victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the article also doesn&#8217;t say is that Christopher Jarvis was withholding the results of his investigations from the victims and passing his files onto the Church to give them a &#8216;head&#8217;s up&#8217; and to see what he should do with them.  All of this goes to show that the Church is still looking after itself and not the victims.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catholic schools and colleges in Zimbabwe by Godfrey</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=903#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfortunate to hear your experience and how you feel. This, maybe was a shock to you but physical punishment is what l would call normal procedure in schools in Zimbabwe and not just Catholic Schools. l also believe these punishments were administered after some unappropriate behaviours not just physically beating you. l believe a lot of reform has to be done in the country as a whole before we reach to issues like physical punishments in schools. With economic and political hardship being the biggest issues for the past 12 years, l guess you can see my country still has a long way to go. The school you went to is among the best in the country and imagine what is happening to other schools below it. Most of us have took those experiences as part of growing up and l honestly know how you feel and hope you will find a peaceful resolution to your issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate to hear your experience and how you feel. This, maybe was a shock to you but physical punishment is what l would call normal procedure in schools in Zimbabwe and not just Catholic Schools. l also believe these punishments were administered after some unappropriate behaviours not just physically beating you. l believe a lot of reform has to be done in the country as a whole before we reach to issues like physical punishments in schools. With economic and political hardship being the biggest issues for the past 12 years, l guess you can see my country still has a long way to go. The school you went to is among the best in the country and imagine what is happening to other schools below it. Most of us have took those experiences as part of growing up and l honestly know how you feel and hope you will find a peaceful resolution to your issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by I KNOW HIM</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>I KNOW HIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man has been doing thus stuff for 10 years. He was to be sentenced on 21st October. WHERE IS HE NOW???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man has been doing thus stuff for 10 years. He was to be sentenced on 21st October. WHERE IS HE NOW???</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open letter to David Cameron by James Ogilvie</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1684#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>James Ogilvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*standing ovation*

Thankyou, Sue. Thankyou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*standing ovation*</p>
<p>Thankyou, Sue. Thankyou.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WikiLeaks: Handling of Irish Crisis &#8211; 26 Feb. 2010 by Irish Crisis: Response from Vatican &#124; Survivors Voice Europe</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1432#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish Crisis: Response from Vatican &#124; Survivors Voice Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WikiLeaks: Handling of Irish Crisis &#8211; 26 Feb. 2010 [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by Lou Rooney, Counsellor</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Rooney, Counsellor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think fundamentally there are a number of issues/questions here.  CRB is one thing and as we all know if you aint got a record then you are going to pass this.  For me this highlights a basic need for annual rechecks of CRB/enhanced clearance.  The whole CRB system needs to be tightened, improved, etc. and I feel sure that this would make good meaty dialogue for another thread.  

However, in relation to this abuser&#039;s &#039;mental state&#039; that J. Marsh refers to - surely if he is working with such vulnerable clients in such a highly sensitive area and is a so-called professional (what qualifications he has I don&#039;t know) he would be subject to some degree of ongoing evaluation or supervision??!!  

When I have my very expensive four-weekly supervision with an independent, external, highly qualified supervisor, one of the key functions of that work is to ensure that I am fit for practice, checking out my &#039;mental state&#039; and &#039;triggers&#039; etc. that might be going on for me.  I embrace this, welcome it, am happy to undertake this, opening my thinking, beliefs, practice and life up to scrutiny knowing that all of my clients can rely on my approach to safety.  This is something robust and honourable counselling/therapeutic professionals surely welcome and I am prepared to be told by my supervisor that I may, for example need to withdraw from client work for a break, or undertake therapy, or that something I have said may be a breach of UK Legislation.

AND IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT I FIND MYSELF ASKING THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:-

What are his current professional qualifications?  Is he up to date with these?  

Did the diocese take out a CRB check on him for his role with them? CRB checks apply to organisation/role that you have, they are not a catch-all for anything that you do.  So his CRB for his former social work role would not necessarily have applied. If they did not take this out, why not?  If they didn&#039;t then surely J. Marsh they at that point are not in touch with UK legislation.

Did the diocese provide him with independent, external supervision  - if not then institutionally they would do well to come into the real world and provide such safe-guarding for clients.  It’s a bit of a no-brainer if you ask me.

NOW THE DARKER QUESTION
Did the diocese know about this man&#039;s former abuse?  If they did then I make no apology for wondering whether the church felt a need to &#039;contain&#039; this man by perhaps offering him this role.  Why would I think this?  Simply because this is their MO!!!  I would welcome hard evidence that my musings are way off beam! 

There is no doubt that not all survivors of abuse go on to abuse but some do and I would have thought that working with vulnerable patients in such direct contact would have at least instigated some questions about this former abused person’s fitness to undertake the job?  It’s not to say that people with experience of abuse cannot work in this field. Quite the opposite, in fact they bring immense experience, insight and inspire great empathy HOWEVER as with every other therapeutic professional abused or not there MUST MUST MUST be supervision that picks up ‘changes in mental health/circumstances/thinking’ etc.  

Now I know even making independent supervision compulsory under law may not stop perpetrators from doing what they do as well but given that this bloke slipped through a net somewhere it at least tightens up the threads a little more.  

I also know that we are surmising an awful lot here however I go back to my original reaction to this story – shocked but incredibly not surprised – that in itself speaks volumes.  Compounded by the fact that it warranted nothing more than a cursory mention, hidden away in the shadows of the press – seemingly just like everything else that the church are involved with.  

I suspect this thread may go on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think fundamentally there are a number of issues/questions here.  CRB is one thing and as we all know if you aint got a record then you are going to pass this.  For me this highlights a basic need for annual rechecks of CRB/enhanced clearance.  The whole CRB system needs to be tightened, improved, etc. and I feel sure that this would make good meaty dialogue for another thread.  </p>
<p>However, in relation to this abuser&#8217;s &#8216;mental state&#8217; that J. Marsh refers to &#8211; surely if he is working with such vulnerable clients in such a highly sensitive area and is a so-called professional (what qualifications he has I don&#8217;t know) he would be subject to some degree of ongoing evaluation or supervision??!!  </p>
<p>When I have my very expensive four-weekly supervision with an independent, external, highly qualified supervisor, one of the key functions of that work is to ensure that I am fit for practice, checking out my &#8216;mental state&#8217; and &#8216;triggers&#8217; etc. that might be going on for me.  I embrace this, welcome it, am happy to undertake this, opening my thinking, beliefs, practice and life up to scrutiny knowing that all of my clients can rely on my approach to safety.  This is something robust and honourable counselling/therapeutic professionals surely welcome and I am prepared to be told by my supervisor that I may, for example need to withdraw from client work for a break, or undertake therapy, or that something I have said may be a breach of UK Legislation.</p>
<p>AND IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT I FIND MYSELF ASKING THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:-</p>
<p>What are his current professional qualifications?  Is he up to date with these?  </p>
<p>Did the diocese take out a CRB check on him for his role with them? CRB checks apply to organisation/role that you have, they are not a catch-all for anything that you do.  So his CRB for his former social work role would not necessarily have applied. If they did not take this out, why not?  If they didn&#8217;t then surely J. Marsh they at that point are not in touch with UK legislation.</p>
<p>Did the diocese provide him with independent, external supervision  &#8211; if not then institutionally they would do well to come into the real world and provide such safe-guarding for clients.  It’s a bit of a no-brainer if you ask me.</p>
<p>NOW THE DARKER QUESTION<br />
Did the diocese know about this man&#8217;s former abuse?  If they did then I make no apology for wondering whether the church felt a need to &#8216;contain&#8217; this man by perhaps offering him this role.  Why would I think this?  Simply because this is their MO!!!  I would welcome hard evidence that my musings are way off beam! </p>
<p>There is no doubt that not all survivors of abuse go on to abuse but some do and I would have thought that working with vulnerable patients in such direct contact would have at least instigated some questions about this former abused person’s fitness to undertake the job?  It’s not to say that people with experience of abuse cannot work in this field. Quite the opposite, in fact they bring immense experience, insight and inspire great empathy HOWEVER as with every other therapeutic professional abused or not there MUST MUST MUST be supervision that picks up ‘changes in mental health/circumstances/thinking’ etc.  </p>
<p>Now I know even making independent supervision compulsory under law may not stop perpetrators from doing what they do as well but given that this bloke slipped through a net somewhere it at least tightens up the threads a little more.  </p>
<p>I also know that we are surmising an awful lot here however I go back to my original reaction to this story – shocked but incredibly not surprised – that in itself speaks volumes.  Compounded by the fact that it warranted nothing more than a cursory mention, hidden away in the shadows of the press – seemingly just like everything else that the church are involved with.  </p>
<p>I suspect this thread may go on!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by Sue Cox</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kirbly,
This is a typical and predictable result of the Churches inability to help someone who was abused.
This man went on to abuse others, and so it goes on.
If this person was abused by a priest himself, then as a survivor, one would feel empathy and sorrow for his plight. Disgust, (though not surprise) also, that he didn&#039;t receive the help he needed before he damaged others.
Hoewever: not all of us go on to abuse children,or collect child pornography, regardless of the horrors we have sustained at the hands of priests.
Two wrongs never did make a right.
The blame clearly lies with the institution, who failed him, and then failed to protect others from the results of their failures.
And, as usual come up with some very lame excuses.
Sue Cox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kirbly,<br />
This is a typical and predictable result of the Churches inability to help someone who was abused.<br />
This man went on to abuse others, and so it goes on.<br />
If this person was abused by a priest himself, then as a survivor, one would feel empathy and sorrow for his plight. Disgust, (though not surprise) also, that he didn&#8217;t receive the help he needed before he damaged others.<br />
Hoewever: not all of us go on to abuse children,or collect child pornography, regardless of the horrors we have sustained at the hands of priests.<br />
Two wrongs never did make a right.<br />
The blame clearly lies with the institution, who failed him, and then failed to protect others from the results of their failures.<br />
And, as usual come up with some very lame excuses.<br />
Sue Cox</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by Kerbly</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What that article doesn&#039;t say is that Jarvis was himself abused by a priest as a child.  He never came to terms with it, and worked to protect children (as a social worker then with the church). He struggled to deal with his emotions (he suffered depression and break downs) and eventually lost and turned to this terrible obsession.  What a shame he never got the help he needed when he was still fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What that article doesn&#8217;t say is that Jarvis was himself abused by a priest as a child.  He never came to terms with it, and worked to protect children (as a social worker then with the church). He struggled to deal with his emotions (he suffered depression and break downs) and eventually lost and turned to this terrible obsession.  What a shame he never got the help he needed when he was still fighting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by J Marsh</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>J Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to your questions:

*But would the diocese of Plymouth have run a CRB check on mr Jarvis before employing him into such sensitive position?
Yes. Mr Jarvis had previously worked as a social worker so would have had a CRB check for that job also.  He had worked with children for a very long time and had an excellent record.  No one had any idea about his change of mental state.  

*What are the church procedures when hiring people for these sensitive positions?
To advertise the post, read applications, check references, interview and request a CRB check.

*Does the CRB apply for people working for the catholic church in England? 
Yes

*Does the catholic church report to the CRB on any criminal charges resulting from their own “justice system” – canon law?
Yes, of course. The Catholic &quot;justice system&quot; does not work outside of the UK  Justice System.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to your questions:</p>
<p>*But would the diocese of Plymouth have run a CRB check on mr Jarvis before employing him into such sensitive position?<br />
Yes. Mr Jarvis had previously worked as a social worker so would have had a CRB check for that job also.  He had worked with children for a very long time and had an excellent record.  No one had any idea about his change of mental state.  </p>
<p>*What are the church procedures when hiring people for these sensitive positions?<br />
To advertise the post, read applications, check references, interview and request a CRB check.</p>
<p>*Does the CRB apply for people working for the catholic church in England?<br />
Yes</p>
<p>*Does the catholic church report to the CRB on any criminal charges resulting from their own “justice system” – canon law?<br />
Yes, of course. The Catholic &#8220;justice system&#8221; does not work outside of the UK  Justice System.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church child protection chief caught with child pornography by Patrick OMalley</title>
		<link>http://survivorsvoice-europe.org/?p=1145#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick OMalley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents - keep your kids away from Catholic priests.  

It is still dangerous in 2011, despite how they will lie and tell you otherwise, Take a look at this year&#039;s stories in Philadelphia, KC, Ireland, and dozens of sites where they have been caught.  Catholics still defend their pedophile protection program.

You can still save your kids if they haven&#039;t been abused by a priest yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents &#8211; keep your kids away from Catholic priests.  </p>
<p>It is still dangerous in 2011, despite how they will lie and tell you otherwise, Take a look at this year&#8217;s stories in Philadelphia, KC, Ireland, and dozens of sites where they have been caught.  Catholics still defend their pedophile protection program.</p>
<p>You can still save your kids if they haven&#8217;t been abused by a priest yet.</p>
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